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  is death a transition?

  by soft+gentle in

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  all spritiual views welcome.

  i'd also like to know if the bible presents death as a transition and if it does so more than presenting it as a complete end..

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  bats in the belfry

  ... from the "conscious" to the "unconscious state", perhaps ? ! ? (Ecclesiastes 9:5)
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  Memorial Invitation official first day today

  by OneDayillBeFree in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  well it's that time of year again and the invitations to another pointless memorial aka reject jesus party is now in full swing.

  even though it's only the first day i'm already more than sick of it!

  this is the first year i am fully mentally awake for the memorial season, and honestly i'm so sick of it all!

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  bats in the belfry

  If you have received too many invitations from the sales desk, here is an idea for the afternoon to enjoy with your kids:

  
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  I saw this on Wiki about the 'dubs and i was surprised by it's accuracy

  by wha happened? in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know people were poo pooing wiki earlier and i agree with some of thr comments, but this article is interesting.

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/eschatology_of_jehovah%27s_witnesses.

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  bats in the belfry

  Please:

  Do not forget to send the Wikipedia link to all the interested ones.
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  I saw this on Wiki about the 'dubs and i was surprised by it's accuracy

  by wha happened? in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know people were poo pooing wiki earlier and i agree with some of thr comments, but this article is interesting.

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/eschatology_of_jehovah%27s_witnesses.

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  bats in the belfry

  "While the Internet is a convenient and quick source of vast amounts of information, our researchers do not rely on blogs or poorly documented Web entries written by unidentified or unqualified persons. For example, Wikipedia, an online encyclopedia, warns that some articles on its own site “contain significant misinformation, unencyclopedic content, or vandalism,” adding that “users need to be aware of this.” Thus, the Writing Department looks to standard reference works, articles written by recognized experts, and books produced by respected publishers."

  2011 Yearbook, pp. 9-10

  Well, at least Wikipedia as a research tool flags misinformation, deletes inappropriate and derogatory remarks, and is very well cross-referenced. That's more than what I can say about the WTBTS literature, especially when they start self-grandeurizing by 'TRACING ALL THINGS WITH ACCURACY’.

  Btw, when doing Wikipedia research the GB puts out a general advisory “to be aware of this” misinformation. So, just as you have seen misinformation in various Awake! and The Watchtower magazines - go ahead, check it out: Eschatology of Jehovah's Witnesses (caveat emptor).
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  WT June 15 on jw.org

  by Gayle in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  just scanned thru quickly,,same stuff i think mostly,,dan.

  chapter 2,, world powers illustrations,,re-statements of 1914 & 607,,. by the time the lords day began.

  in 1914,pg 15.

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  bats in the belfry

  Sorry, it is: WT June 15, 2012, page 31 / mea culpa!
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  WT June 15 on jw.org

  by Gayle in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  just scanned thru quickly,,same stuff i think mostly,,dan.

  chapter 2,, world powers illustrations,,re-statements of 1914 & 607,,. by the time the lords day began.

  in 1914,pg 15.

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  bats in the belfry

  Is Loretta for real? Where do they find these people? Let me get this straight: When the company relocated the business, her boss checked for her place of worship to accommodate her beliefs, and she turned it down?

  Quintessentially, you've got to love the it when the GB proverbially kicks the JWs in the ass by scripture-quoting the life-sytle of the rich and famous.

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  Loretta, one of Jehovah’s Witnesses, had a good job at a food-preparation company. When the company was to relocate, Loretta was offered an important position at the new place: “It’s the chance of a lifetime,” the directors told her. “We’ve already found out that there’s a Kingdom Hall there.” But Loretta wanted to simplify her life to serve the Creator more fully. She saw that the new post would leave her less time for Christian activities. Hence, she submitted her resignation, though the director confided that she was the only employee whom they really wanted to keep. Loretta, who now has been a regular pioneer for some 20 years, is convinced that the good results obtained were directly related to her having planned with “skillful direction,” yes, in harmony with the advice found in God’s Word. She strengthened her relationship with Jehovah and has had the privilege of helping several to accept
  Bible truth.
  
  (...) True success is not determined by the material or social goals that those in the world often pursue. King Solomon understood this. He was inspired to write: “It will turn out well with those fearing the true God, because they were in fear of him.” (Eccl. 8:12)

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  Awake! June 15, 2012, page 31
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  Blame the designer and not the product: God and the lame Free Will argument

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is the one thing nobody is ever able to explain to me!.

  if a genius designs something to operate in a specific way in order to obtain a precise outcome and it doesn't work---tell me again why we don't blame the genius designer/manufacturer??.

  oh--that free will maguffin!.

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  bats in the belfry

  Is there free will? I have no choice but to believe.
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  Attention Governing Body: October 2, 2014 is only 940 days away...

  by Alfred in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in 1823, john aquila brown (a man who is not mentioned in any wt publication) came up with a bizarre mathematical calculation which totalled 2,520 years (in an unauthorized attempt to predict the end of the gentile times).... several religions recycled this bizarre calculation, including the adventists and the bible students... when armageddon didn't come on the variety of early 20th century dates predicted by several "dooms-day" religions of that time (including charles taze russell's bible students who predicted that the big a would start in 1914), they all finally realized that this 2,520-year calculation was nothing more than arbitrary mathematical speculation derived from erratic biblical extrapolation.... except for the bible students who continued to move up the date for armageddon 2 more times (1918, 1925) and then decided to use wwi as the starting point for the "last days".. all the while, one thing that seems to remain intact is the october 2, 1914 date.

  oddly, for the watchtower bible & tract publishing cult, this particular date still marks the end of the 2,520-year period (that john aquila brown referred to in his bizarre 1823 book "the even tide")... again, no mention of this in any watchtower publication.

  but, for jws, that date still remains the starting point for the period of time often referred to as the "last days" or even "the generation that shall not pass".. because of this, the governing body has been forced to change the definition of "the generation that shall not pass" countless times since the early 1970's.

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  bats in the belfry

  Alfred >> ... in all fairness, they mention John Aquila Brown in their publications, albeit just once.

  As early as 1823, John A. Brown, whose work was published in London, England, calculated the “seven times” of Daniel chapter 4 to be 2,520 years in length. But he did not clearly discern the date with which the prophetic time period began or when it would end. He did, however, connect these “seven times” with the Gentile Times of Luke 21:24.

  jv chap. 10 p. 134 / Growing in Accurate Knowledge of the Truth
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  Memorial Partakers guesses?

  by AK - Jeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the last four years:.

  with all the changes in the 'generation', 'sealing', doctines, etc.

  - there have been unexpected [i imagine] jumps in this number.

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  bats in the belfry

  ... xactly -- just dickin' around.

  Since approx. 2007 their doctrines around the FDS/GB are so FUBAR. It's hard to endure through all that nonsence with a straight face, let alone, not poking fun it.
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  Memorial Partakers guesses?

  by AK - Jeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the last four years:.

  with all the changes in the 'generation', 'sealing', doctines, etc.

  - there have been unexpected [i imagine] jumps in this number.

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  bats in the belfry

  TO ALL BODIES OF ELDERS IN THE UNITED STATES BRANCH TERRITORY

  Re: Memorial partakers 2012

  The latest scripture based research evidently points to the fact that when Jesus spoke about the "faithful and discreet slave" appearing in our twentieth century, he had in mind a 'theological concept' of worldwide proportions. We, therefore, as the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses, do not keep a list of all partakers, for we do not maintain a global network of anointed ones. Thus, meticulously counting all emblem partakers is not necessary as this does not represent the number of anointed ones on earth. Our upcoming 2013 Yearbook will reflect these changes in understanding and cease publishing the number of partakers.

  What we do know is that there will be some of the anointed “slaves of our God” on earth when the destructive winds of the great tribulation are released. (Rev. 7:1-3) Until then, the anointed will take the lead in something that is well-documented by our annual service report—the greatest preaching and teaching work in human history. As part of the King’s belongings, they are happy to cooperate fully with the arrangements made by the Governing Body, which represents “the faithful and discreet slave.”

  cc: Travelling overseers

  PS to secretary:

  This letter should be retained in the congregation file along with other material related to the jw.org Web site.